pekin robins

[chris]

hi,

i'm giving some serious thought to getting a pair of these or two (if i can afford it :shock: ) does anyone have any basic advice on diet, housing, breeding etc? i'm not going to look into this too much untill i get my aviary extended so that i can house them comfortably. i know that they are/were classed as the ideal softbill to start out with, the price however is a bit offputting if if something goes wrong.

any comments appereciated

cheers, chris

[laurab]

Hi Chris

I too would love a pair of Pekin Robins but like you the price is holding me back.

David Holmes has written an article on them on Feathered Flyer.

Laura

[chris]

hi laura,

thanx for that, i have read the article and that has pretty much answered everything. my dad has said if i can breed livefoods in suffiecient quantities that i can have a pair of pekin robins (in fact he mentioned about getting a pair when i started out in the hobby... that was when we thought they were still £30 per pair :lol: ). lucky for me i am more than capable of breeding mealworms and waxworms so looks like i'll have a pair by the end of the year :D

chris

[laurab]

I saw some Pekin Robins for sale today but a bit overpriced at £195 a pair!

I bought a new camera just recently and the price I paid for it I could have got 6 pairs of Pekins!! :shock:

[chris]

:shock:

that better be a good camera then! i'd have gone with the 6 pairs of pekins :lol: having said that, i'll probably buy 2 pairs when i save up enough money, not at the same time tho! unless i win the lottery in the meantime :lol:

chris

[dave85]

hey chris,

What methods do you use to propogate livefood - mini mealworms & waxworms? id be interested to learn how so i could keep a wider range of species as i havnt ventured into birds they primarily require livefood!

Thanks
Dave H

p.s - only place ive seen ideas for propogations was rob salems java site.

[chris]

hi,

mealworms are quite simple, place them in a tray such as a cat litter tray, cover the bottom with chick crumbs for food and then add a slice of carrot as they eat it for moisture. if you can place a heat mat (as used for keeping reptiles) under the tray it speeds up the process and you will notice that the mealworms grow much quicker, they also pupate faster and hatch out into beatles faster. what i do is as you find pupae in the tray remove them and place in a separate tray containing chick crumbs and carrot (when they hatch anyway) then this will provide food for you adult mealworm beatles and allow them to keep breeding. they usually live for a few months and the females lay upto 1000 eggs i think, so the more beatles you have the more mealworms you'll get when there eggs hatch! the eggs tend to clump together and are very tiny so the chances are you won't know they're there untill you have mini mealworms everywhere.

waxworms are more tricky but well worth it if you can do it! basically mix up some oats (ready break works well!) and/or bran with some honey, keep addind oats untill the mixture is thick and not very sticky to the touch. now place the mix in the bottom of a container of your choice (make sure it has a very tight fitting lid!). the waxworms you buy won't need feeding so place them somewhere warm to speed up their rate of pupation. when you have a load of pupae remove them and place them in the container with the mix you've just prepared and place somewhere warm. within a few weeks the pupae will hatch into moths (don't worry they don't eat anything only only live for a few days) if you place some folded waxpaper in the container they usually lay their eggs in the creases of this (mine have the habit of laying them around the rim of the tank!) again, females can lay 1000 eggs so the more the better. the eggs hatch within a few weeks and you will see tiny waxworms (1-2 mm) crawling around the tank and this is where the fun starts! basically the little buggers can climb anything, chew through most things, and are a real pain to keep contained anywhere (so far i've had 2 cases of escape in my bedroom, and loads in the shed!)

the only containers i can think of that may possibly hold the waxworms are the ones sold for keeping baby snakes in with the fine wire mesh gauze for ventilation, even then this will have to be tapped over while the waxworms are small. the other thing you will notice is that unlike the waxworms you buy these are super waxworms! they climb anything, make silk like it's giong out of fashion, and move like lightning! :lol: but the birds love em so it's worth it in the end

chris

[chris]

http://www.nfss.org/Articles/Article/Softbills/P-Robin-1.html

just for anyone else who wishes to keep pekins, may be a useful reference i the future.

chris

[laurab]

Chris!! I never had you down as a tease :lol:

[chris]

:shock: me, tease, never! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[laurab]

NO!! :lol: :lol:

[chris]

Hi all,

if i've got this right now, the basic diet for pekin robins is as follows:

bogena universal or similar, also insect patee, various fruits including apple, pear, grapes, banana:grin: , orange etc. livefoods including Fruit Fly, Mealworm, Waxworm, Crickets and free foods that i catch in the garden such as woodlice, ants, spiders, grass hoppers. they will also take nectar, but it isn't vital?

as for housing, a well planted flight (sorted:grin: ) with a sheltered spot, and indoor shelter for the winter, no heating neccessary.

breeding, don't have a clue! lots of livefoods and pray lol!

if anyone wants to add fire away as i reckon i could end up with a pair of these after stafford, so i want to be more than prepared if at all possible

Chris:wink:

[chris]

it's looking increasingly likely that i could well end up with a pair of these now, does anyone know of anyone at the stafford show in october that may be selling these? if so could you let me know:grin:


Chris:wink:

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Chris,

Hopefully I could bring a pair of Pekins for you, the price will be £150, thats if they are still unsold buy then, or you could pay for them and reserve them until Stafford.

Paul.:wink:

[chris]

Hi Paul,

would this be Dorset Birds by any chance?:wink:

do you know if the birds are a true pair, or is there the chance of me buying 2 cocks/ 2 hens?

i will get back to you on this as i will have to talk to my dad about it first as an 18th Birthday prezzie:grin: , however i reckon he'll say to wait untill closer to the date....... that's the usual reply i get anyway

i will let you know, Chris:wink:

[chris]

well i'll get my answer, 'when i get a job':neutral:

so i'm now going to print off a CV or 2 or 3........ and see what i can get in the next week

Chris

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Chris,

It would be from a choice of two Dealers, but yes one of them would be Dorset Birds.
I wouldn't bring you a pair to Stafford if I thought they were not cock and hen.

Paul.:wink:

[chris]

Hi Paul,

thanks mate, i've got these CV's printed off now so hopefully i can do some job hunting today :-)

Chris:wink:

[chris]

Hi all,

i'm sad to say that i will not be having any more birds now, meaning no pekin robins:-x

this is not my decision,but my father's who reckons that i'll introduce bird flu to my birds, wipe them out and die myself:neutral: . i've tried to reason, but he aint having none of it... try talking to a brick wall instead maybe.

the worst part is i have been told that i am not allowed to go to the stafford sale, whether i were to make my own way there or not, for the same reasons as me not being able to have any more birds.

i don't know how long this stupidity will last, we don't even have birds flu in the country yet, let alone are waiting for it to pass!

guess i can kiss goodbye the weaver breeding programe, pekin robins, greensinger project oh and the parent reared CPQ as i am now unable to make pairings to unrelated birds.

this has got to be the third time i've been told i can't go to a show now, first the stafford this time last year, then the spring because they wouldn't take me. now i can potentially make my own way there i'm told i can't go anyway. don't know why i bother, and make a pratt of myself every time trying to arrange to pick up birds only to be told, oh your not going at the last minute

Chris

[Waxbillman]

hello chris

thats very bad news indeed, is there any chance of you still been allowed to buy birds from breeders?
i hope you can find a way around it.

matthew

[kenny]

hi chris

thats a great pity mate but some people really take this stuff about the bird flu serious,and the more its on the news the worse it gets,maybe like matt says he will let you have some from a breeder if he knows there is no chance of them being infected

ken

[kenny]

hi laura

just reding this thread and noticed yiu would rather have a camera than buy birds ,i was wondering if you are serious photograrpher because of taking the picture of pauls waxwing,is it an slr with digital screen or is it just plain slr or is it just digital

ken

[jimmy]

Hi chris,

Sorry to hear about your bad news mate.

just keep on at em, but don't push it to much, choose your moment..

Jimmy

[laurab]

Hi Kenny

I wouldn't say I would rather have a camera than buy birds :???: I have been intersted in photography for as long as I can remember. I started out with a little Kodak and I have gradually progressed to a Nikon D70, which is a digital SLR and I can't praise it enough. It does have a screen at the back but it is only for viewing what has been taken and also for seeing the menus for setting the camera up to take shots.

[kenny]

hi laura

nikon eh mmmmmmm i am a leica man myself/no seriously i collect old cameras thats all and also use slrs but not with any screens just plain old viewfinder for me you may not remember but my first camera was a petri ,i have had 2 of those but i have a metal box full of camera gear and a long time ago i bought a practica bca just before they stopped making them and i have kept it ever since its an apature priority camera,i should have gone for something more expensive as at the time iwanted a canon ae1 but it would have cost me twice as much and i wanted some lenses and a tripod so i settled for the practica bca wich in itself is a brilliant picture taker

ken

[laurab]

Hi Kenny

I tend to use mine set up mainly on AP. I have tried to use it completely on AUTO but it doesn't sort the exposure out too well.

Petri? You're right I don't remember:razz:

[kenny]

hi laura

its a good solid old camera if you dropped it on somones head it would definately leave a dent,i will get a picture up for you later,if you like

ken

[laurab]

OK Kenny ;-)

[kenny]

hi laura

here goes

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ken

[laurab]

Ummm......prefer my Nikon! LOL


The settings remind me of the Canon AV1 that I used to have.

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Chris,

Your news is very bad news mate, I was looking forward to meeting the Legend in person a great deal!

I do hope that I, and many others will get to meet you at the Spring Stafford Sale day next year, don't give up hope mate, someday you will experience the joy of meeting with so many like minded people under one roof.
And with the bonus of NOT contracting Bird Flu, when your Dad see's that there are no more post's from the visitors of the next Stafford Bird Sale, then can he can say I told you so Son.

I'm sorry to diss your Father, but if publications such as Cage and Aviary Birds were not to publish comments from the view's of the AR, then we may have some hope in convincing the outside World that Bird Sales in the UK are far from being hotbeds for the spread of Bird Flu.

Paul.:mad:

[kenny]

hi laura

the last time i used that particular camera was about 20 years ago,it would probably make a good doorstop though

ken

[chris]

Hi all,

this just get's better, now not only am i restricted to 30 mins of internet a day at home, but my PC decided to go boom saturday meaning the only time i'm going to be online from now on is while i'm at college:-|

talk about a week of bad luck, i'm expecting a visit from the RSPCA next to top it off:lol: :roll:

Chris:wink:

[kenny]

hi chris

what a bummer,at least you are not trying to chuck your birds in the bin:D

ken

[Waxbillman]

thats a shame Chris,

have you not got a job yet?

matthew

[jimmy]

Hi Chris,

Don't worry mate, things will come back your way soon, its just a blip mate.

Jimmy ;-)

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Chris,

I'm sorry to hear of your bad luck mate, if it's any consolation I have had serious problems with Internet access over the last couple of days.:mad:

But don't worry too much about a visit from the RSPCA, they aren't that bad.:roll:

You only have to worry if they turn up with Greg Glendell and Elaine Tolland as expert witnesses with sadistic grins and carrying suitcases of syringes loaded with enough anaesthetic to put down a herd of Elephants.:shock:

Chin up mate and stay possitive, I'm sure we will see you back online 24/7 very soon!

Later, Paul.;)

[chris]

Hi Paul,


i would actually prefer the RSPCA to show up with GG and ET (the extra terestrial:lol: ). my reason for this is simple, they'd check in, but they definately wouldn't check out:twisted:

the anesthetic would be put to good use..... on themselves. and i'm sure any bodies could be dissolved in some high conc. acid lol


Hi matthew, nope, no job yet:roll:

Chris:wink:

[Waxbillman]

hello Chris

are well keeping looking surely there summut somewhere.

matthew

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Chris,

You are a sick Puppy, but nice plan mate!:lol:

Good luck with finding the Job Chris!:wink:

By the way just how much of this highly concentrated Acid do you have at the moment?:grin:

Paul.

[chris]

Hi Paul,

at the moment no acid, but it wouldn't take a lot to get some from college or indeed make it myself:o

as you've no doubt guessed, i've fixed my computer:D

only taken around 4 long hours of trial and error, more error, lots and lots of error (mostly critical error and fatal error :lol: ) and at one point i was ready to pick up my computer and throw it out of my bedroom window...... however i beat the machine and i think i've removed most of the problem folders that were on it proir to me blowing up the power supply!

one relieved Chris;)

[laurab]

Hi Chris

I am glad you have got things sorted ;-)

[Waxbillman]

great news then Chris

you'll be back with again.

matthew

[kenny]

hi chris

have you got an anti virus programme mate
ken

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Chris,

It is great news that you are back with us full time, I'm glad you are back with all cylinders working mate!

Paul.:grin:

[laurab]

Pekin Robins.....worth their price or not?

[Waxbillman]

hello Laura

i personally would pay so much for a pay, bearing in mind how low in value they were.

however i understand why they are so much, just a little to much i reckon.

Matthew

[chris]

Hi Laura,

i would definately pay the money for them, as soon as we can start breeding more of these the sooner the price will come down. it would only take one breeder to sell the birds for half there usual price, you can't tell me he/she wouldn't be covering their costs lol!

the other thing is, if we get a permanent import ban, they may be expensive now but add a few zeros on and you get the idea of what they could become in the near future. that's my main reason for wanting to get some now, as with the weavers

thing is if i had of gone to stafford i would have a pair in my aviary right now....:neutral:

Chris:wink:

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Matthew,

David Holmes told me recently that demand in Australia for his Pekin Robins has jumped from the grand price of $1000pr to $1500pr in a single year.:shock:
And this is after many years of an import ban being imposed, Magpie Robins are around double this price and White Rumped Shamas are around treble this price.:shock: :shock:

So Chris has a very good point on how things could progress regarding prices of Pekins in the UK.

Pekin Robins priced at £150pr at the moment is a very reasonable price to pay, even compared to the not so old price of £40pr or less.

Paul.

[Waxbillman]

:shock: thats a lot of pennies,

though doesn't surprise me at all, i have heard of some of the prices of waxbills over there, astronomical

i suppose we will have all these to come if the ban stays for a long time.
call me a tight AR*e but £100 is the maximum i would pay

Matthew

[kenny]

hi matt

just think of all the pennies you will make selling your surplus stock mate

ken

[laurab]

Yesterday it seemed like a good idea, problem is you never know what is around the corner and I have just learnt that my young Jack Russell, Millie, might need to have her hip ball joint removed :( at a cost of approx. £445.00 :shock: :shock:

[chris]

Hi Laura,

sorry to hear that, do you have her on pet insurance as this helps with the vet bills?

Chris:wink:

[Waxbillman]

thats True Ken.

sorry to hear your dog Laura, pets can sometimes be an expensive business.

Matthew

[dave85]

sorry to hear bout your wee dog laura :(

how much is a single pekin robin worth?

as im looking at buying a lot of birds - bourkes, lineolated, budgies, etc and it includes a single pekin but dont know how much it'd be worth?

Thanks
Dave

[Waxbillman]

hello

Dave i have seen them as much as £90 each though i would say that on the highest end of how much you can expect to pay, though don't quote me on that though

Matthew

[chris]

Hi Dave,

i wouldn't but a single pekin, there are many people out there who breed these birds and need unrelated cocks/hens for the breeding project to get these birds more common in the UK. since they aren't exactly common or easy to come by you would be taking away a bird that could be vital for a breeder of these birds. by all means get a pair and breed them, but buying an individual bird is selfish in my opinion

Chris

[Waxbillman]

hello Dave

if its a hen,i know someone who is desperate for 1.

Matthew

[laurab]

Regretfully, I have no insurance for my dogs :mad:

Dave, I'm afraid I have to agree with Chris, why buy 1 bird?

[chris]

Hi Laura,

i know how you feel with having to take the dog to the vet without pet insurance. Our cat has a few problems with him, a heart murmer, kidneys aren't working as they should, and his body isn't producing enough albumen. all this means a trip to the vet every 6/8 weeks which costs around £30 a time, 3 different tablets ontop of that to help with his kidneys, and we have to give him albumen in the form of eggwhite every morning!

the best part is he apparently has too much protein in his diet according to the vet, so have to cut back on real cat meat. the thing i can't understand is that eggwhite is pure protein and the vet insists he has this everymorning and also moans how his has too much bloody protein in his diet..............:-x the sooner i get into vet college the better as he's got to be missing something somewhere!

Chris:roll:

[laurab]

I would willingly join a vet practice that allows me to pay them...say £30 per month to cover my dogs 'normal' vet fees during the year, obviously anything over would need to be paid. I would sooner let my vet earn the interest rather than the insurance company.

My Mum paid a lot of vet fees for her cat that had kidney problems, but we do these things for our extended family don't we.

[PAUL HEARN]

Hello everyone,

Laura,

I'm sorry to hear Millie may need to be operated on,:( I hope it doesn't come to this!!

Dave,

I disagree with the previous posts regarding you buying the single Pekin Robin, if after you have worked out your sums on the Birds you know the price of, and the Pekin is of a reasonable price (around £50-£60) then go ahead with the deal and offer the Pekin to a breeder of this Species for the same price.
That is what I would do anyway.;)

Chris,

I know where you are coming from regarding your Cat.
Some time ago Sam, our Family Cat was suffering from Kidney problems, this was a short while after cancelling his insurance due to highly inflated price inreases because of his age, DOH.
I myself know the pain associated with a Kidney infection,:mad: when I had mine I thought I was a gonner!!
So when I heard Sam was suffering from Kidney problems I thought the worst, luckily after a short period of treatment he came through and hasn't had a problem since.

He had a check up the other day and the Vet couldn't believe that Sam is 15 and a half and gave him a clean bill of health.:D

Paul.

[dave85]

hey all,

The deal has fell through :( he already had a buyer who let him down but now the original buyer has come back and bought the birds as he informed me today :(

i was going to get - 1 hen ringneck, 18 budgies, 3 bourkes, 1 green lineolated, 1 blue lineloated, 1 pr blue masked lovebirds, 1 pr fishers lovebirds, 1 peach face lovebird, 1 cock cpq silver, 1 pekin robin.

All for £200 plus he was going to give me a load of equipment as hes moving so is selling all.

So i wasnt going to just buy a single bird it was within the job lot, so dont jump on me! plus i would have passed it on to someone with pekins or sold it to you chris as i know you really want them.

Thanks
Dave

p.s - anyone near keighly, yorkshire?

[josoll]

Laura,Sorry to hear about Milly,are they diagnosing legge perthes (not sure on the spelling) ive heard of a couple of russells with this recently.

[chris]

ah right,

sorry Dave, i though you was just going out and buying some birds, and getting a single pekin robin, didn't realise they all came as one

Chris:wink:

[laurab]

Hi Jo, yes that's it!!

She should be fine after the op though :razz:

Sorry Dave, I also didin't read your post properly:neutral:

[Waxbillman]

hello Dave

is that keighly, in west Yorkshire?

why do you ask?

Matthew

[kenny]

matt you live in yorkshire you should be able to spell keigthley


ken

[Waxbillman]

sorry Ken, thanks for correcting me


Matthew

[dave85]

hey matt,

Yes i did mean that place - its were the birds are, how far is it?

hes got another buyer but he says if he doesnt turn up he'll let me know.

Thanks
Dave

[Waxbillman]

hello Dave

its not too far away from me.

Matthew

[chris]

Hi Laura,

did you get a pair at stafford? i know Tom had some for you but i think Paul and John were unsure about whether they were a true pair so have no idea if you did get any.

i hope you, roger and elsa all got back home safely, pitty i didn't have more time to chat

Chris;)

[laurab]

Hi Chris

Yes we are home safely, thank you.

You are right, Tom did have some Pekins for us, but 'them that new more than me' could not be sure they were a pair. Sadly, I had to let Tom down.

Roger and I went for a wander and spotted a couple of pairs for sale....we could then see the difference, and settled on a pair a little above Tom's asking price.

Did you buy anything??

[chris]

Hi Laura,

i was hunting for weavers more than anything, especially African Golden weavers but there were none at all for sale, not even cocks:-( however i did buy 2 more pairs of Napoleon weavers, although i'm suspicious that one hen is actually a cock in eclipse, which would mean i have 4 cocks and 3 hens Doh!

i had the pair of greensingers off Paul that he had off you last year i think which are doing great, also the pekin robins which are fantastic birds although i've yet to hear em sing. Also picked up a pair of parent reared CPQ off John Robinson, one normal cock and a blue pearl hen, and 2 parent reared Blue Pearl hens off Laus. all going well i should be able to produce at least one or two parent reared normal birds this year to breed from next year.

last but definately not least, i picked up a gorgeous Greenfinch Mule off Greg Douglas :grin: which he promised me last year i think. i will be pairing him with a hen canary later in the year when i get a new block of breeding cages built to see if he is fertile

other than birds there was a bird net, fonio, red millet, pomegranites for the pekins, 5kg of insect softfood and probably some others i've forgot i've bought

Chris;-)

[Waxbillman]

hello Laura, i'm very glad you got your Pekins, welcome to the team, those Pekins you got, did you get them from the bearded man?

Matthew

[chris]

Hi Matthew,

i would hope so, the idea of a bearded lady is frightening:shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Chris

[Waxbillman]

:lol: :lol: yeh well what else could i have said? that was his defining feature, like you and your long ginger hair!!

Matthew

[laurab]

Hi Matthew

I bought them from a chap called Graham, Paul knows him.

Graham told me that they are a proven pair, the hen has a small bald area on the back of her head but I am sure it will soon feather up.

[Waxbillman]

oh right

the man who i bought my pair of Pekins off was selling 2 more pairs, quality birds, though they weren't as good as my pair.
fingers crossed everyone breed them this year.

Matthew

[chris]

Hi Laura,

do you reckon they'll breed this year? i have no idea with mine yet but i think that is because they don't like being in one half of a double breeder while i quarantine them for a week. still haven't heard the cock sing, the suspense is killing me:lol:

does anyone know if Pekins feed on nectar in the wild? mine absolutely love honey water, at the moment i am being sparing with it as i don't want to over feed if it should only be a treat

good luck, Chris;)

[PAUL HEARN]

Hello all,

The guy named Graham that Laura bought her Pekins from is Graham Ashworth, I hope for Laura's and Graham's sake that the Pekins from him are a definate true pair.:grin:

Chris,

I can only assume that Pekins will feed from flowers in the wild, most Birds will take to Honey water or Nectar, and you are right in restricting the amount given as some Birds will take this instead of any other food on offer.

I have seen Japanese Waxwings eating flowers of Privet etc, so I can only assume that other Softbills (and certain Finches etc) will do the same.

Paul.:wink:

[laurab]

I am sure most have you have probably seen this but it is a very informative fact sheet on the Pekin Robin. http://www.nfss.org/Articles/Article/Softbills/P-Robin-1.html

[Waxbillman]

i haven't seen that before, it looks great, i'll read later as i have an exam today

Matthew

[laurab]

Oops! realised I should have posted this in the Pekin Robin section. Instead of moving it and risking deleting the whole forum, I have posted the same there as well.

Good luck with the exam Matthew

[kenny]

hi matt
good luck with the exam mate!

ken8)

[Waxbillman]

Thanks you two, it went alright.

Matthew

[kenny]

great stuff matt at least its over with till the next time i hated exams at school much rather play baseball on the field

ken8)

[Waxbillman]

yeh, i only have 2 more exams to do, and hand an essay in and then i have finished until the end of september :-P

Baseball?? that not very Yorkshire i would of thought back when you were a lad, the only games that existed was cricket and football with a pig's bladder

Matthew

[kenny]

hi matt
we didnt have a cricket team at our school and it was either football or baseball,well i went for the baseball as it was faster and cleaner.

ken

[Waxbillman]

i think i would go for base ball an all, wouldn't have to run about so much,

Matthew

[kenny]

hi matt
only when you get a homer doh!

ken

[PAUL HEARN]

Hello all,

Laura,

I know I'm late in saying so, but thanks for posting the link I have added it to my favourites list.;-)

To everyone on the Forum, I just thought I should let you know that Alan Brown of Dorset Birds has got as far as fledged chicks from the pair of Pekins in one of his outside planted aviaries.:grin:

This pair are blessed in that they are the sole occupants of a 40ft long x 10ft wide x 8ft high planted aviary,:shock: I can only dream of aviaries like that.:lol:

I will post any updates on the progress of the chicks and hopefully future rounds from the breeding pair.

Paul.

[kenny]

my god paul thats a big aviary,i wish mine was going to be that big.but i have been told if i dont finish it in a fortnight my wife will put a garden swing there instead and we cant have that can we

ken:wink:

[chris]

Hi Kenny,

whats worrying is that our garden is more than big enough for a couple of aviaries that size:shock:

if only i could do what i want with it...

Chris;)

[Waxbillman]

wow, thats great Paul, well done Allan Brown

i hope mine pull it off

Matthew

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Ken, Chris and Matthew,

Ken,

You and I are in the same boat mate, the pair of us can only dream of established planted aviaries of the measurements Allan is fortunate in having.:(

Chris,

I can see where you are coming from matey, I've seen your garden and I can see the pictures in your head of how the aviaries would look in the garden your parents have.:roll:

Matthew,

I too hope all of the Feathered Friends members who have pairs of Pekin Robins manage to follow Allans success, I hope my pair produce youngsters for me and everyone else's here do the same in trying to establish them in UK Aviculture.

Paul.:grin: