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chris
10-04-2005, 05:49 PM
Hi all, just found this i don't know if it's already been brought up elsewhere?

Press Release September 2005

Britain's Biggest Bird Market - an Open Invitation for Bird Flu

Plans for a sale of tens of thousands of exotic birds has come under fire from the Animal Protection Agency (APA), which claims that a proposed bird market on 9th October 2005 at the Staffordshire Agricultural Showground could provide a back door for avian flu to reach the UK. Birds imported from all areas of the globe would be on sale along with, possibly, illegally imported wild birds from South East Asia.

The view of APA is that the proposed event is unlawful and could easily have been disallowed by the local authority. Stafford Borough Council is one of only two local authorities in the country that still issue licences for pet markets, and its decision to licence this event is currently the subject of a legal challenge. Malcolm Haynes, co-founder of a local animal rescue charity, has started proceedings in the High Court challenging the lawfulness of the licence that the Council has issued. Malcolm's claim cleared the first legal hurdle yesterday when permission to apply for judicial review was granted, but the case will not be decided until after the 9 October fair has already taken place.

Avian influenza is now sweeping Indonesia and is already claiming human lives. Most fatalities are linked to exposure to poultry but attention now is focused on pet birds as a carrier of the virus.

It is estimated that approximately half of the trade in wild animals is illegal and widely acknowledged that wild bird markets in the UK are a dumping ground for illegally obtained birds. Experts in infection control now believe that bird/wildlife markets such the one proposed at Stafford are likely to introduce Avian Influenza into the UK.

The number of these dangerous events has fortunately been contained thanks to the vast majority of local authorities, which regard pet markets as illegal. The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) however, to the shock and dismay of many animal protection organisations and health experts, has proposed to lift the current ban on pet/wildlife markets in the forthcoming Animal Welfare Bill. The Animal Protection Agency is spearheading a campaign to block this proposal in Parliament.

Says Elaine Toland, Director of the Animal Protection Agency:
"At the previous bird market, held at the Staffordshire Showground in March 2005, species from South-East Asia were on sale and judging by their offer price, they could not have been captive-bred. It is dangerously ironic that while Asian authorities are closing down wildlife markets to protect agricultural animals and human life, DEFRA plans to open wildlife markets in the UK. Through its sheer incompetence and complacency the Government could be endangering the lives of British people. It has been warned!"

Waxbillman
10-04-2005, 06:58 PM
what a load of twollop, that is, thanks for posting it.

the thing is if that gets published, it will look bad on us bird keepers, as you know what the general public are like, they believe any old crap that the scare mondering papers print.

i'd love to reply to them and say what i think, but knowing them little gremlins they would could round here, and i don't want the hassel of being arrested for happy slapping them with a wooden spatular that is got given from Uni (no idea why)

matthew

chris
10-04-2005, 07:05 PM
:lol: i think i might use something a little larger and more intimidating than a wooden spatula, maybe a rolling pin:lol:

i don't think the above is much to worry about as no-one seems to take the APA that seriously, and stafford is going ahead as normal anyway. still, it can't hurt to bring it up.

Chris:wink:

laurab
10-04-2005, 07:12 PM
I think I have a cold coming; if I go and sneeze all over the place, do you think it will scare off the antis'? ;-)

chris
10-04-2005, 07:14 PM
:lol: just Aim for GG and ET, then ask a vet to have them put down for carrying bird flu:grin:

Chris:wink:

laurab
10-04-2005, 07:17 PM
:razz: :razz: :razz: Now there's an idea!

kenny
10-04-2005, 07:32 PM
hi all

this is just typical of all the jealous people that cant even breed another human being successfully let alone some of the harder to breed birds that will possibly be on show there,they have nothing better to do than go around trying to spoil peoples hobbies and pastimes because they haven`t the skill to do it themselves i was reading an article on the net the other day that if it wasn`t for people like us half of the birds that we breed would have been wiped out in the wild especially birds like the java sparrrow if it wasn`t the bird breeders it would be someone else they make me sick !!!!

ken

PAUL HEARN
10-05-2005, 09:46 PM
I direct this post to Elaine Toland,

You are correct in saying that there were in fact Asian Bird Species on sale at the last Stafford Bird Sale, as I hope there will be at this next Stafford Bird sale.

But you are very wrong in your claims that due to their price they could not be captive bred!
It is highly evident that you are either very much misinformed or you choose to ignore the facts, I believe the latter is the fact.

If the threat of Avian Flu from Asia hadn't been dealt with properly, then we would have a very serious problem right now in the UK wouldn't we?

Avian Flu has been recognised since 2003 hasn't it? So why hasn't there been a single case of this Virus in the UK since then? Two years is a long period for a Virus to cause a Pandemic and I would have thought that the UK would be counting the cost by now judging by your panic figures.

Ever since the outbreak of Avian Influenza in Asia there has been an export ban regarding Birds from this Continent, so the Birds for sale of Asian origin before this ban are NOT of any threat to their keepers or anyone who chooses to buy them!

Can you please explain why the Asian Birds for sale at the last Stafford event could NOT possibly have been captive bred due to the price asked for them?

What exactly is your understanding of the Bird Market prices?

And please explain why as a keeper/breeder of Asian Bird Species I have not died yet?

Paul.

kenny
10-06-2005, 09:47 AM
nice one paul mate


ken

Waxbillman
10-06-2005, 09:56 AM
i hope she read it.

well written Paul

matthew

PAUL HEARN
10-06-2005, 08:18 PM
Hi Ken and Matthew,

I am certain that if Elaine Toland/Tolland herself hasn't come accross this thread, that one of her many misguided Sheep has read it and may have pointed her in the direction of this thread and my post.

But then again the AR movement is famous for spouting lies on their own Websites and avoiding sensible debate where the truth may come to the surface.

On more than one occassion representatives of the Animal Rights movement have been present at meetings that have involved DEFRA and people who have fronted various Animal and Bird keeping Hobbies, at every meeting the AR have avoided discussion relating to their claims.

So come on people, this is an open Forum, we are willing to listen to you, even if you are not willing to listen to us.

I hope I speak on behalf of other Feathered Friends members in inviting you to air your views here.

Paul.

kenny
10-06-2005, 09:47 PM
hi paul

that goes for me to dont hide behind the bushes ,in the words of delia smith LETS BE HAVING YOU !

ken

chris
10-07-2005, 04:59 PM
Hi Paul,

i recall us trying this one before! let's see if they are brave enough to come out and talk, rather than spy on us like the cowards that didn't want to talk last time

Chris:wink:

PAUL HEARN
10-07-2005, 09:24 PM
Hi Ken and Chris,

Ken,

I didn't realise Delia was such a Good Girl, I must admit to seeing her in a new light right now.:grin:

Chris,

I do remember this scenario quite well mate, but I doubt seriously that a comment will be made.:roll:

What more can we do though? An open invitation has been offered, but there will be no takers.

All I can say is that I look forward to meeting with you Mutes as I walk past your pathetic protests as I enter the Stafford Sale day.

Paul.

chris
10-11-2005, 04:28 PM
Hi Paul,

did you ever meet any pathetic mutes then at stafford:-)

seems like no one has taken up your offer, no suprise there really

Chris:wink: