Jacarini

[laurab]

Hi all, my established pair of Jacarinis eggs have hatched today, 3 lovely little chicks! I am pleasantly surprised at this because they normally only lay 2 eggs. :razz:

[Waxbillman]

hello Laura,


thats brilliant news, well done!!!!!

matthew

[laurab]

Thank you :razz:

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Laura,

Good on ya mate, well done!!:grin:

I hope 2005 will be as good a year for you as 2004.

Paul.:wink:

[laurab]

Hi all


I have got up this morning to discover my 3 baby Jacarinis' have left their nest, they all look healthy :razz:

[laurab]

Hi all,

here is a picture of one of my 9 day old Jacarini's :) I have also attached photos' of the adult Jacarinis' the darker of the two is the male.

[Waxbillman]

oh yes,


lovely little things they are.

matthew

[PAUL HEARN]

Great news Laura,

And great photos too, she should start the second round anytime soon.:grin:

Paul.:wink:

[laurab]

Second round has started! :razz: :razz:

[PAUL HEARN]

Good one Laura,

How many eggs are there in the second round?

Paul.:-)

[laurab]

I came home yesterday to discover one of my young Jacarini's had taken one hell of a beating, obviously I removed it from the aviary immediately and gave it some TLC. Unfortunately it was dead this morning.

I believe it was the weaker of the three chicks and kept trying to get to it's mother who is sitting on her next round.

This reminds me of the horrible time I had with Canaries, and I got rid of them because of it! :mad:

[Waxbillman]

i'm sorry to hear that Laura.


matthew

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Laura,

I'm sorry to hear the bad news of the Jacarini chick:-|, but at least you have two healthy chicks remaining from the first round:grin:, it may be a good idea to try to remove the other two chicks from the aviary and put them in the Birdroom now to avoid any conflict towards these two youngsters.

Good luck with the second round of youngsters from this pair of Birds.

Paul.:grin:

[laurab]

Hi Paul

I have already moved the other two to the birdroom :razz:

Two out of the three eggs have hatched this week :razz:

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Laura,

Great news mate!!:grin:

I'm unsure whether or not my first pair have a nest at the moment, all I know is the cock is very busy and defensive of a particular area of the mixed aviary, he has taken a major dislike to my Black and White Seedeater cock to the point I think I may have to remove him.:-| But at least I may produce one or two Jacarini's this year.:grin:
Paul.:wink:

[laurab]

My second round of Jacarini babies have left their nest today, I bet it was really hot with the three of them cooped up in the nest together.

[PAUL HEARN]

Great news Laura,

Another three:grin:, well done mate!!

My suspicions were correct, I did find a nest with a single egg in it, but unfortunately the egg has been ignored for some time now:-|, I have removed it with the hope she will lay again

Again well done Laura!

Paul.:grin:

[laurab]

Of the three Jacarini chicks that left the nest recently only 2 survived, the 3rd was far too small to stand a chance :sad: .

Yesterday I noticed my hen sitting again in the last nest she used, and again she has laid 3 eggs!

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Laura,

It is confirmed now I have one of my pairs of Jacarinis incubating three eggs (although I hoped it was Rhodospingus:-? ).
I'm thinking of a change over where cocks are concerned and using the cock you bred last year in place of the cock of the second pair?

Paul.:wink:

[laurab]

I have had 3 Jacarinis' hatch today and 1 Orange Bishop. I have another Orange Bishop baby but I think it is about a week old. :razz:

[dave85]

Congrats Paul & Laura!

Im hoping to get my orange bishops soon!

Btw how hard are Jacarinis to get hold of? because i may add some to a mixed planted flight when its all altered and planted.

Thanks
Dave H

[PAUL HEARN]

Good one Laura,

Congratulations on the Weavers and the Jacarinis mate!:grin:

I'm pleased to say I have three Jacarini chicks & three Madagascan Mannikin chicks!:grin:

I have also gone ahead and swapped the spare cock Jacarini you bred last year (who is displaying as if his life depends on it) with the cock of my second pair (who has failed to display at all so far), so fingers crossed with this pairing, although the hen is very shy I hope her new mates racing hormones will bring her out of her habit of hiding all day long.:-?

Paul.:wink:

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Dave,

Jacarini Finches are proving to be hard to find these days:?, but with the breeding results from various Forum members and a few other people I'm in contact with I'm hoping this won't be the case for long.
There should be a great gene pool of unrelated CB Jacarinis by next year, I will keep you posted regarding Jacarinis for sale.

Paul.:wink:

[laurab]

H all

my 3rd round of Jacarinis' have left their nest this morning :razz:

[kenny]

nice one laura you will be over run with them if your not careful time to hand out the contraceptives:grin: :grin: :grin: only joking of course thats great news laura

ken

[laurab]

Thanks Kenny, I have plenty of room for Jacarinis' unlike the quail, I think I am going to have to give them away!!

[Waxbillman]

well done Laura, got any pictures?
you seem to be doing something right there.

matthew

[laurab]

I'll see what I can do.

[kenny]

hi laura,

at the end of the breeding season if i have any surplus i give them to our parks department as we have 4 3 of them have large aviaries and they are always glad to get new stock.at the end of last year i gave them 45 zebra youngsters to restock their aviareis,just thought that they might be interested at least they get a decent home there

ken

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Laura and all,

I thought I should let you know my Jacarini chicks left the nest today, one chick is perched as high as possible at the opposite end of the aviary and the other is perched very low and close to the nest, the hen is very busy building another nest at the other end of the Aviary in what is left of the Bamboo after the overly heavy pruning from the Weavers.:mad:

Paul.:wink:

[laurab]

Thats great news Paul! :razz:

[laurab]

Hi Kenny,

I have thought about donating some of my birds, I am going to contact our local MacMillan Unit as i think they have an aviary.

[kenny]

hi laura thats an excellent idea spread it around the way i look at it is other people are sharing your love of bird keeping without having to do any of the work.


ken

[laurab]

The Jacarinis' have stopped feeding the smallest of their young, I am now trying to hand rear it.

[kenny]

hi laura i had all that performance myself a few weeks ago for some unknown reason i ended up having to hand feed a bengie they dont normally get rejected but this was a sorry looking thing i put a picture up of it on here somewhere but i ended up saving its life and today it is fit and well but i had to get the old syringe out again and do the honours there is something satisfying about rearing them but its hard work so i wish you luck with it and hope everything turns out allright for you

ken

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Laura,

Good luck with handrearing the Jacarini chick, please try to include as high a Protein diet as possible.

Paul.:wink:

[laurab]

It's 'game over' already with the Jacarini baby :( I got up early this morning to feed junior but found it on it's back. Can't say I enjoyed mashing up mealworms, but I had a go.

Maybe it sensed my reluctance. I successfully hand reared a canary last year, everything was great; then one day I opened the cage door to give it some broccoli and it somehow got past my hand and flew straight into my dogs mouth! :shock:

I have had 3 rounds of baby Jac's this year all with three eggs and in each case they have only successfully reared 2 chicks :-?

[Waxbillman]

sorry to hear that Laura.

at least you've bred some already this year.

matthew

[dave85]

hey laura/paul,

Looks like you both will beable to make some unrelated pairs from the jacarini young :)
Good look with your 2nd pair buddy - how many you hoping to produce between you?

Sorry to hear about you losing your chick laura :(

As for the Cpq i would say id take em but ive already got 22 + 8 chicks and ive just put eggs in my incubator.

Have you thought bout taking them to your local auction? at mine they sell fairly well making about £2/3 each - in pairs they usuall make £6-8 a lot :) just a thought as thats what ill be doing with mine when old enough and if noone on forums want any.

Kenny,
What do you use to handrear a bengie? as i lost 2 youngest out of a clutch recently :(?

Thanks
Dave H

p.s - how much we looking at for a pair of jacarinis paul? and do they need a specialist diet? will they rear on eggfood?

[kenny]

hi dave

i always start off the same as i have done this with other birds and most of the time it works.i have syringe that you can get from the chemist not one with a needle:grin: fairly small one but not to thin about as thick as your little finger and you start off with your preparatory eggfood or what ever food you start them off with a bit of boiled egg or the famous madeira cake and it needs to be made into a runny paste with some sterilised warm or tepid water there may be seeds like niger in the stuff if you use eggfood so make sure that you either get them all out or make sure they will pass through the syringe otherwise they will just block the hole and create pressure and it may all of a sudden release and knock the poor birds head off,you start off by squeezing a little out at a time till they get the taste and by the time you are finished they are getting the end of the syringe tube in there beaks,so you can understand how runny it has to be to get them to take it if you watch bengies feeding it has the consistency of brown spit not very nice i know but thats what it looks like so thats what it needs .and thats the easy bit cos you have to keep it somewhere warm within earshot and as soon as it starts calling you have to feed it and start the feeding all over again you can mix some up but it tends to gongeal as they get bigger i usuallly soak groats as it is the softest seed to crack when it has been soaked you can soak it overnight or you can boil it in a pan for half an hour or until it is soft this of course you can store as long as it is not left to harden or you can try the milksop method which is a bit more messy as all hand rearing is messy you put some bred in warm milk and sprinkle with maw(poppyseed) and they peck at the black spots on the bread and get a mouthfull of that at the same time and that is how they start to wean there selves but it takes a while depending on how old the chick is when it is abandoned but as people who have done it will tell you it is very rewarding.other people may do this different of course and as laura will tell you it dosent allways work as the birds usually can tell there is something wrong with the chick and thats why they usually leave them its not allways the case but there you go......................cheers ken

[laurab]

Hi Dave

I have managed to move on 3 pairs of quail today and got £10 for them, I asked for £6 and he said I'll give you £10! who was i to argue?;-)

Hand rearing can be very rewarding, a couple of years ago I hand reared 3 ferrets; the mother got mastitis and the babes chewed her nipples off...ouch! The mother survived the ordeal and so did the 3 I reared, unfortunately a couple were lost.

I had to go back to night time feeds and I also took the ferrets to work so that I could feed them.

Luckily when I had to rear the canary my boss was already aware that I am mad! Surprisingly the members of staff all got quite attached to the animals I have taken in.

[kenny]

hi laura nice one the nipple chewing doesnt bare thinking about,you are right though it is very rewarding but time consuming we only do it cos we love them


ken

[jimmy]

hi Laura, nice one.

Was it kenny who bought the quail. :) :)

[kenny]

how did you know james laura let me have them at a reduced rate for a couple of bottles of vodka


ken

[jimmy]

hope you chucked in some redbull as well :) :)

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Laura,

I'm sorry to hear you lost the Jacarini chick, as you know I lost my third chick also:(, I think this is a Natural thing and that the third chick is an insurance policy that at least one or perhaps two chicks will be reared to maturity in the Wild.

This is something that occurs in many forms with different Bird Species, Coots have been seen to attack and drown some of their own chicks that seem to be perfectly healthy, certain Egret Species are known for their chicks to attack and throw out the smaller nest mate/s to ensure their own survival.
Other Bird Species have large broods because of the high mortality rate of youngsters before the next breeding season, Blue Tits are a good example of this with an average brood of twelve young, with only one or rarely two youngsters making it to breed the following year.

It can also work the other way around with other Birds putting all of their effort into producing only one chick, Albatross and Condor Species do this and then they only do it every two years due to the very long hatching and fledging period of the single chick.

In a long winded way what I'm trying to say is that despite your very best efforts the third Jacarini chick just wasn't meant to be, best of luck with the other chicks mate.:grin:

Paul.:wink:

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Dave,

As I said before there are very few Jacarini Finches available at present, but there are a handfull of dedicated breeders spread accross the Country who are fortunate in being rewarded for their efforts in breeding these Birds.
There are also a few people who own single Jacarinis who are hoping that partners for these Birds can be found before it is too late to breed from the Birds they have.

In my view the few breeders and the owners of single Jacarini Finches should be offered first choice of youngsters available, but after this there may be Birds available for others?

I hope that the present asking price of £40-£60pr will not rise because it may put off potential future breeders of these Birds, I believe the lower end or midway of the present asking price is a fair price to pay for what may be the second cheapest South American Bird Species on the UK market when imported, (UK bred with Livefood may be another story:-| ).

As far as I can see my breeding pair have fed the chicks on Mini Mealworms, Large Flightless Fruit Flies, Small Waxworms as well as soaked Millet seeds taken from the dishes or Pannicum and Red Anjou Sprays.

Dave I haven't seen my breeding pair feed the chicks on Eggfood, only Livefood or soaked seed.

Paul.:wink:

[laurab]

Hi all

my Jacarinis' are now going for their 3rd round, 3 eggs again!

[Waxbillman]

great!, well done

matthew

[kenny]

hi laura

thats excellent news really glad for you

ken

[laurab]

Thanks guys ;-)

[chris]

Hi laura,

glad to hear they are going for another round! how many jacarinis have you bred so far this year then?

Chris:wink:

[laurab]

Hi Chris


4 so far as I have had a couple of losses.

[chris]

Hi laura,


it's a shame about the few that you have lost, but those that you have bred so far is definately a fantastic achievement:grin:

Chris:wink:

[Waxbillman]

well done Laura,

i bet theres not too many people in this country who keep them, let alone breed them.

matthew

[PAUL HEARN]

Congratulations Laura!!:grin:

Well done to you on your third round mate,:grin: I'm still one round behind you, I have two chicks on the sticks and three eggs in the nest.

I've recieved one or two e-mails from people who wish to exchange Birds, I hope you are interested, also as I have mentioned before there are a few people out there who have single Birds who are looking to buy Birds.

I hope that in a year or two there will be quite a few Jacarini Finches available from a good number of breeders accross the Country.

Keep up the good work mate well done!:grin:

Paul.:wink:

[laurab]

Hi all


my 3rd round have all left the nest today, ehich is just as well as it was starting to break up! It's not done too bad though considering how many chicks have been reared in it :razz:

[Waxbillman]

brilliant!! you will have to get an article written up for cage and aviary, if you haven't already done so, thats quite an achievement.

matthew

[kenny]

hi laura/paul

at the moment jacarinis are very rare on the bird scene ,so you have made a great aceivement there the pair of you

ken

[laurab]

Hi Matthew

I have already written an article about Jacarinis', it is due to be printed in the FBA magazine.

I am going to send it to Cage and Aviary, but thought I should wait until it has been seen by FBA members...what do you guys think?

Although, the last article I sent them it took them months to print it:-?

[kenny]

hi laura

i would send it in anyway due to the success you have had i cant see them taking that long to publish it this time going by last weeks 4 page effort of part adverts part stories they must be gaging for a decent story like matts on waxbills................matt how long did it take them to publish your article matey

ken

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Laura,

I would wait until the FBA publish your article, hang in there mate and then forward it to C&A.
In this way the FBA Magazine will be proud to publish your breeding first and then you may get the same article published by C&A for the usual fee.

Paul.:wink:

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi all,

My second round of Jacarinis fledged on Monday, so I now have four in total to have fledged this year, not bad for a very late start this year,:grin: but my second pair haven't got as far as building a complete nest, let alone laying eggs.:(

But along with Laura and various other breeders this year, it does look good toward exchanging 05 bred Jacarinis for next year, I have quite high hopes for establishing this Species in UK Aviculture for the future.

Paul.:grin:

[Waxbillman]

great news then Paul, well done.
did you ever contact John Roylance, and if so how did he do with them this year?

Ken

it takes ages for them to publish article, 1 took around 6 months and the other took around 8 month, though if you send it by e-mail the editor secretary will tell you if it is going to get printed and when you can expect to see it, though my advice would be to add another month or so on to that, the cheque comes at two weeks after its has been published.

mathew

[laurab]

Hi Paul

we are doing well with the Jacs' aren't we:wink: I have 11 now, which includes 2 adult pairs :-P

I think I will take another look at the article, update it and send it in. You were lucky to get your cheque so soon Matthew, I had to chase mine up after 6 weeks! I did have the added bonus of having it printed in the Bird Keeper as well.

[Waxbillman]

that too, cor bet you got some right money.

matthew

[laurab]

I have lost a baby Jacarini today :( The good news is, (I think) my hen has started her 4th round. I have another pair of Jacs in my smaller aviary and I have just discovered 2 eggs in a nest that is well hidden in a bush ;-)

Whilst on the subject of Jacarinis', it is very difficult to sex them as they both look alike until the male gets his breeding plumage; but I have just heard one of my Jacarini's from the second round of breeding, mimic it's father's mating call!! :-P All I have to do now is try and catch the little one :???:

[Waxbillman]

more good news Laura, i'm glad you have. sorry to hear that you lost one though.

matthew

[laurab]

Thanks Matthew :wink:

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Laura,

I'm very pleased your second pair have decided to go to nest at last:grin:, yes, between us we are doing very well regarding establishing Jacarini Finches in UK Aviculture for the future.

I'm also pleased to say that I know of one or two other breeders who have experienced good breeding results this year, my hope is that we can exchange Birds to ensure we all have diverse blood lines to breed from in years to come.

My own Jacarini Finch numbers are less than yours, but I have two Adult pairs, a single Adult cock and four fledged youngsters with the third round under way.

I hope that exchanges and sales between various breeders will ensure the future of the Jacarini Finch in UK Aviculture for many years to come.

Paul.:grin:

[laurab]

Paul


don't you think it is good that I have a male singing whilst out of colour? :???:

[laurab]

3 More Jacarini chicks have hatched today :razz:

[kenny]

hi laura

that is really great news ,at the moment i am only getting the euphoric feeling of breeding javas bengies and zebs at the moment as space limits me but i have been promised a new bird room and aviary for next year and i hope to be getting something more challenging like your jacarinis,not necesserily those particular birds but i will think of something.as i have to get back that really special feeling like paul and yourself when you are breeding these not so easy to breed birds.i hope they carry on to be fully fledged like the rest of your jacs

ken

[laurab]

Hi Kenny

Whatever it is I am doing they seem to like it :razz: I have checked the nest in my smaller aviary this morning and I have another 2 baby Jaccarinis' :razz:

[kenny]

hi laura

thats great news mate,just watch out for these cold nights!but i dont suppose you will get the same kind of weather we get up here in the north.as i am typing this i have south facing garden and i have full sun but when i actually go outside the wind is freezing its what we call in yorkshire a lazy wind,is there any more eggs left to hatch

ken

[Waxbillman]

well done Laura i'm very happy for you, you most be one of the top Jaccarinis breeders, keep it up there,

Ken

bet you can't wait for getting a new bird room, its a great feeling, i got a new one at the start of this year, its really a great feeling.
have you though of what birds you might have yet?

matthew

[kenny]

hi matt

i have been thinking about allsorts but haven`t really decided yet, i need to find out how big the new bird room is going to be then my son is building an aviary to my specs on the front,i dont know wether to have L shaped with an indoor flight or have 2 aviarys split by a corridor,i need all new cage fronts for the bird room as some of the ones i have are older than me and have been cleaned and repainted evry year but i want to start all new with some of my old birds like javas but i have my eye on all sorts.i have had waxbills in the past but never realyy did anything with them as my father in law and i where allways preparing canaries ,zebs and bengies for the local shows but that is all out the window now so i have more time to concentrate on breeding more different species,i am not bragging about this but i have had gouldians, diamond sparrows,stars, diamond doves,spice birds,niuns and the odd british as my avairy then was quite large but i had to chop it back and make it smaller as i was totally incapable of catching any thing and had to chase them all inside so that made all the others get disturbed in there nests and it wasnt good for them or me .so i am going to be thinking for a long time yet and also i am going back to heat as at the moment i dont have any but i still have all my old thermostats and heating stuff so that gives me more to go at as most of the stuff i mentioned i cannot have at the moment but i will get there and i will have lots of pics to show as well really i cant wait but there is anew fence to sort first my garden is totally secluded at the moment but behind my old shed the fence is going so thats the first job mate

ken

[laurab]

Hi Guys' thanks for the comments :) I will be covering the aviaries every night now.

[Waxbillman]

hello Ken

sounds like you are going to be very busy in the months to come.

matthew

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Laura,

Your news is great news mate, well done to you!:grin:

So your second pair decided to wake up and breed at long last:smile:, I'm not as fortunate as yourself, but I'm pleased to say that I have a nest of three newly hatched Jacarinis from my pair that has produced the four fledged chicks I have so far!
I expect one of the chicks to die as this would happen under natural conditions,:sad: but I hope to end up with six Jacarini youngsters at the end of 2005, my results are poor in comparison to yours which are excellent, but I think there is a very good chance of establishing Jacarini Finches in UK Aviculture by including the other breeders of this Species that have contacted me this year with the view of exchanging Birds to establish as diverse a gene pool as possible.

Good on ya mate, well done! I just hope that your second pair will start to breed earlier next year.
I intend to exchange one of my second pair with unrelated Birds in the hope of establishing two unrelated breeding pairs for next year.

I think the best time to exchange 2005 bred Jacarini Finches will be the Spring Stafford Sale in 2006, at least by then we should know the sexes of the Birds we intend to exchange.

Paul.:grin:

[laurab]

The Jacarini babies all left their nests today. Unfortunately, (but not suprisingly) I lost one of the babies in the main aviary leaving me with two chicks, and I have also lost one in my second aviary which leaves me with onein the second aviary.

This is the first breeding for the adults in the second aviary so I will forgive them for loosing one. The remaining one though is huge! :)

[Waxbillman]

well done Laura

and great article you did at the start of the forum.

matthew

[laurab]

Thanks Matthew

that is the article I have submitted to C&A, I thought I would post it on here to save you all from having to buy the paper to read it :razz: ;-)

[chris]

Hi all,

look at the plonker who missed this thread and started a new one!:oops:

great article laura, i would have bought C&A if i knew it had gone in. have you asked steve if he is interested in a copy for Bird Keepers World? or are ya worried that C&A wont print any more of your articles as they have threatened everyone.

Chris:wink:

[laurab]

Hi Chris

I sent this to C&A before I knew about BKW, I will have to start on something new for BKW ;-) C&A haven't printed it yet!

[chris]

Hi Laura,

i'd get it printed in BKW if at all possible. it sounds like it will be far bigger than C&A, and i don't have to waste money on an otherwise worthless C&A for your article:)

hmmm i wonder if i could write something about the Greensinger x canary project.......

Chris:wink:

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Chris,

Get writing mate!!

Paul.:grin:

[laurab]

Hi all

When I got home this evening I discovered 2 of my young Jacarinis' dead :sad:

They were in seperate flights and were from my last breedings. Hopefully I still have one youngster left, although I haven't seen it for a few days :-? I hope it is hiding amongst the plants.

[Waxbillman]

hello Laura

i'm really sorry to hear that

i wonder why this has happened.

i hope the other is ok.


matthew

[laurab]

Although the birds appeared to be fed, neither seemed very strong. I wonder if it was because they were late breedings :-?

[PAUL HEARN]

Hi Laura,

That is very sad news mate,:sad: I hope you find the remaining youngster in the main aviary!

You have convinced me to remove my breeding pair of Jacarini's from the main aviary to stop them from going down again this year, as you may be correct in thinking your losses may be due to late breedings.

Keep your chin up though mate, you have done very well despite this set back!:wink:

Paul. X:wink:

[chris]

Hi Laura,

i'm sorry to hear that you've lost 2 of the chicks, i hope you've identified the problem and don't lose any more

Chris